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in some ways i think with joe biden and paul ryan it's going to be an even more damaging conversation if ryan has to obviscate and come up with specifics because he's the numbers guy. >> he's going to be prepared. we'll be prepared. >> he doesn't have enough time it to answer the question, but going back to the theme of the day, what matters, the economy always matters. ever since the cold war it's been about the economy with the possible exception of '04, right? we're in the war of terrorism. >> even in '04 the exit polls showed that even though it was a foreign policy election, it was still about the economy. >> it's always about the economy. foreign policy is at best second or third most important. once again this foreign policy forray into mitt romney it may be a couple days lost. he's not talking about the economy on an area where i think it's impossible to catch up to barack obama. >> i do take the point that he needs to give a speech like this. it's necessary if you're running for president. it's not necessarily sufficient to win the presidency, but it's necessary that you do i
in some ways i think with joe biden and paul ryan it's going to be an even more damaging conversation if ryan has to obviscate and come up with specifics because he's the numbers guy. >> he's going to be prepared. we'll be prepared. >> he doesn't have enough time it to answer the question, but going back to the theme of the day, what matters, the economy always matters. ever since the cold war it's been about the economy with the possible exception of '04, right? we're in the war of...
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paul ryan's home turf. going into the debate, the marching orders issued by democrats loud and clear, be aggressive and don't let congressman ryan go unchallenged, as the president did in his first debate with romney. >> a guy who says 47% of the american people are unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives. >> i think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. [ laughter ] >> for ryan, the larger mission at least at the first ten-minute mark of the debate was to avoid being steamrolled while defending the controversial stances from governor romney. >> you weren't asked basically why i'm pro life. it's not simply because of my catholic faith. that's a factor of course. it's because of reason and science. >> life begins at conception. that's the church's judgment. >> i refuse to impose it on equally devout christians and muslims and jews. i refuse to impose that on others unlike my friend here, the congressman. >> the vice president domi
paul ryan's home turf. going into the debate, the marching orders issued by democrats loud and clear, be aggressive and don't let congressman ryan go unchallenged, as the president did in his first debate with romney. >> a guy who says 47% of the american people are unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives. >> i think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. [ laughter ] >> for ryan, the larger mission...
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was capturing what mitt ryan -- mitt ryan? what mitt romney and paul ryan were saying. the point where mr. romney interrupted mr. ryan was when he said, you know, he was just acting so -- and romney jumped in, careful. careful. ixnay on the talking. at his first post-debate appearance today in wisconsin, vice president joe biden took the final topic of last night's debate, issue of abortion rights and hit paul ryan with it pretty forcefully. >> if anyone had a doubt about what's at stake in this election, when it comes to women's rights, and the supreme court, i'm sure they were settled last night. it was made clear last night that they don't believe in protecting a woman's access to health care. it was made very clear that they do not believe a woman has a right to control her own body. these guys have a social policy out of the '50s. >> that was joe biden's first major campaign appearance today after last night's big event with paul ryan. now, paul ryan's first public appearance after last night's debate was not that moment
was capturing what mitt ryan -- mitt ryan? what mitt romney and paul ryan were saying. the point where mr. romney interrupted mr. ryan was when he said, you know, he was just acting so -- and romney jumped in, careful. careful. ixnay on the talking. at his first post-debate appearance today in wisconsin, vice president joe biden took the final topic of last night's debate, issue of abortion rights and hit paul ryan with it pretty forcefully. >> if anyone had a doubt about what's at stake...
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>> i think joe just needs to be joe. >> paul ryan set to clear any confusion about the romney/ryan ticket. >> i'm a pro-life candidate, i'll be a pro-life president. >> our position is consistent and hasn't changed. >> he can't clear up confusion on his own budget. >> i don't have the time -- it would take me too long to go through all the math. >> oh, brother. just spin already. >> i just got to ask what's your personal best? >> 1under three. >> holy smoke. >> i stand by what i said, whatever it was. >>> we are pumped up, fired up, and jacked up with just hours until tonight's first and only face-off between vice president joseph biden and vice presidential nominee paul ryan. and what was once regarded as a popcorn side show has taken on far greater significance in the wake of the president's less than scintillating performance last week. democrats are anxious, republicans are hungry for a surge, and as ryan and biden take the stage tonight, they have a chance to influence this election at a volatile moment. and the president himself knows he's got to push harder against his ever-shiftin
>> i think joe just needs to be joe. >> paul ryan set to clear any confusion about the romney/ryan ticket. >> i'm a pro-life candidate, i'll be a pro-life president. >> our position is consistent and hasn't changed. >> he can't clear up confusion on his own budget. >> i don't have the time -- it would take me too long to go through all the math. >> oh, brother. just spin already. >> i just got to ask what's your personal best? >> 1under...
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ryan has tweaked the plan. his latest plan is a lot more generous in terms of subsidy and how they grow over time. the $6,400 is no longer relevant. that's something the congressional office did find in the analysis of the older plan that seniors would end up paying $6,400 or more. it was an decade or more into the future. but, again, he has now change thad plan. it's a lot more generous. cbo hasn't had enough detail. hasn't been able to do enough analyst on the new plan. >> we could spend 30 minutes on this easily on each debate. >> easily. >> i want to thank both of you for coming on and attempting to cyst throu sift through some of. this lori robertson and edward-isaac dovere. >>> coming up, you might not know -- you might not know his views on evolution or rather creationism, and he's not alone. he's not at all alone in the halls of congress. >> here's our framework. lower tax rates 20%. we forgo about 1 preside$1.4 tr >> we're going to hear from team romney next. then a little bit later, how your choice of
ryan has tweaked the plan. his latest plan is a lot more generous in terms of subsidy and how they grow over time. the $6,400 is no longer relevant. that's something the congressional office did find in the analysis of the older plan that seniors would end up paying $6,400 or more. it was an decade or more into the future. but, again, he has now change thad plan. it's a lot more generous. cbo hasn't had enough detail. hasn't been able to do enough analyst on the new plan. >> we could...
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ryan? i would challenge him on these very fundamental positions he's taking. >> maybe you should xerox that and slip it to one of biden's guys. >> both sides can see it. both sides can see it. >> in the meantime, the polls, we had a little graphic up that showed pole ryization. because so many people have made up their minds, do you bank on this debate tonight being any kind of a change in the game? >> i doubt it's going to be a change. we've seen very few vice presidential debates where they've mattered. democrats want a little bit of momentum. these polls have shown that last week's debate didn't matter all that much but going into this final stretch with 26 days left they actually want something to believe in their side, to take the fight to the republicans. i think that's what they're going to be looking for. the republicans want to keep their momentum. >> i think the draw goes to the other side, the republicans. >> i do too. >> without a win. >> has to be decisive. >> the team loses. >
ryan? i would challenge him on these very fundamental positions he's taking. >> maybe you should xerox that and slip it to one of biden's guys. >> both sides can see it. both sides can see it. >> in the meantime, the polls, we had a little graphic up that showed pole ryization. because so many people have made up their minds, do you bank on this debate tonight being any kind of a change in the game? >> i doubt it's going to be a change. we've seen very few vice...
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>> i assume you mean ryan. >> i did mean ryan, i'm sorry. i take it all back. >> if ryan wants to show those abs, i'm sure the audience would love it. look, there are a couple of things. joe biden will be able to hold ryan's feet to the fire in a way that i don't think anyone else has. and we've heard some of that conversation earlier this evening on your program talking specifically about the budget, specifically about medicare and medicaid. when paul ryan has said previously, i don't have enough time to walk you through the number, i'm sure he'll be given plenty of time. and remember that biden had what i thought was one of the best moments of the debate season last cycle when he reminded sarah palin and our audience that he was a single father. he himself -- he raised his kids after he lost his wife and his daughter. so he's a good debater. >> look, i think joe biden is a really good man, by the way, personally. a really good man with a great story. but i know him personally and i think he's a really good man. but, kate, if biden tangles
>> i assume you mean ryan. >> i did mean ryan, i'm sorry. i take it all back. >> if ryan wants to show those abs, i'm sure the audience would love it. look, there are a couple of things. joe biden will be able to hold ryan's feet to the fire in a way that i don't think anyone else has. and we've heard some of that conversation earlier this evening on your program talking specifically about the budget, specifically about medicare and medicaid. when paul ryan has said...
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debate, both ryan and joe biden won in terms of politics. the question at this point is how do the guys aet the top of the ticket, how do they capitalize on that? >> how do they move forward? >> mitt romney has to do what he did last week again or ten days ago. he needs to do that again. if you watched mitt romney he wasn't a good debater at all. i don't think he was in '07 or '08 or '11. but, boy, this year he's turned into a terrific debater. i think president obama has the greatest challenge. he's not joe biden. he's never given in the campaign so far as passionate the way joe biden did the other night. he has to do that. he has to be as convincing, probably more. he has to look like he wants it, like he's enjoying it as much as joe biden. >> like he wants to actually be there, be in the debate. >> and wants the job. >> we've seen a shake-up of sorts in the polls here lately with governor romney gaining some ground. today's tracking poll shows that mitt romney is now lead big two points there among likely voters. the romney camp pushing i
debate, both ryan and joe biden won in terms of politics. the question at this point is how do the guys aet the top of the ticket, how do they capitalize on that? >> how do they move forward? >> mitt romney has to do what he did last week again or ten days ago. he needs to do that again. if you watched mitt romney he wasn't a good debater at all. i don't think he was in '07 or '08 or '11. but, boy, this year he's turned into a terrific debater. i think president obama has the...
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we're as close as it is. >> ryan, this is a shift actually in the romney/ryan campaign. they've started to use the word capability for the threshold. >> very important. >> that's a very ambiguous standard. they're not saying have nuclear weapons, they're saying the capability. >> everyone should be clear. this is one of the things where there is a policy difference that's being obscured by the rhetoric. the debate largely between the obama administration and netanyahu's folks as far as i can understand as i follow this is the question is the red line a weapon or is the red line a capability. the capability is before actually having a weapon and much more haze zilly defined? is that more or less -- >> that's my understanding. there's a broader sense of whether would an obama administration support israel as opposed to a romney administration? that is a real debate and a real question people are asking. i think if there is one to attack, obama would go along with it in the end. >> the intractability of syria was another issue that was on the table. i think the reason that
we're as close as it is. >> ryan, this is a shift actually in the romney/ryan campaign. they've started to use the word capability for the threshold. >> very important. >> that's a very ambiguous standard. they're not saying have nuclear weapons, they're saying the capability. >> everyone should be clear. this is one of the things where there is a policy difference that's being obscured by the rhetoric. the debate largely between the obama administration and netanyahu's...
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the vice president has been reviewing ryan's speeches. he's reading "young guns," the book that ryan co-wrote. he's done at least three mock debates. paul ryan has been watching tapes of biden's previous debate appearances and rehearsing for what is likely to be a major offensive. >> i really think that, you know, because they had such a bad debate, that joe is just going to come flying at us. and it seems pretty clear that their new strategy is basically just call us liars. >> i'm joined now by the former communications director for the edwards presidential campaign and robert train yam, an msnbc contributor and bush/cheney adviser. good morning to both of you. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> we know both men have been hunkered down preparing for this debate. in these closing days, chris what do they do? >> this debate has kind of gained more significance because of the last debate. >> yeah. >> i would actually say significances for both candidates, because romney's campaign clearly wants to try to build on the momentum and the obam
the vice president has been reviewing ryan's speeches. he's reading "young guns," the book that ryan co-wrote. he's done at least three mock debates. paul ryan has been watching tapes of biden's previous debate appearances and rehearsing for what is likely to be a major offensive. >> i really think that, you know, because they had such a bad debate, that joe is just going to come flying at us. and it seems pretty clear that their new strategy is basically just call us liars....
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ryan two is another issue. they were debating ryan one. do you think this is going to be a problem with seniors and the vote in florida and other key states? >> i don't think so. i think the romney ticket is winning on that issue and it's just uncontested that the administration takes money out of medicare, $700 billion to pay for obama care. you know, seniors understand that medicare needs to be reformed and there are reforms proposed from the left, reforms proposed from the right but they all have the point of saving medicare. making medicare stronger except what the president did with obama care. >> romney takes the same $716 billion out. the same number. >> the ryan plan is designed to make medicare stronger and it does it along the lines of medicare advantage and part d. it does it by giving seniors more choices and counting on them to police the waste and the fraud in the system and that's worked very well with medicare advantage and medicare part d. aimed at saving medicare. obama care takes money out of medicare to pay for a progra
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a huge stage for paul ryan. we're going to be looking for how joe biden addresses the issue of seniors and medicare, we're going to be look at how paul ryan carries those attacks and how he's able defend the romney/ryan ticket as opposed to his own positions and his own statements. romney's been modulating a little bit or saying some things that were somewhat garbled on abortion this week. i think you're going to hear a lot about that tonight. >> medicare, abortion, i think benghazi. >> i i agree. >> joe biden, former chairman of the foreign relation committee and this very strong attack from the republican on leading the committee that had a four-hour hearing pillaring the state department yesterday. >> an area where anticipation had been joe biden would be able to press a grav as it. benghazi complicated that and you'll see paul ryan hit that. >> "time" magazine, your magazine out, and preprized k k pictures they took for the runner-up when paul ryan was runner-up for man of the year. do we need more proof tha
a huge stage for paul ryan. we're going to be looking for how joe biden addresses the issue of seniors and medicare, we're going to be look at how paul ryan carries those attacks and how he's able defend the romney/ryan ticket as opposed to his own positions and his own statements. romney's been modulating a little bit or saying some things that were somewhat garbled on abortion this week. i think you're going to hear a lot about that tonight. >> medicare, abortion, i think benghazi....
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paul ryan has basically grown up inside the capitol. >> well, i think there are real advantages for ryan, too. he comes across as sincere and likable like the guy who lives next door to you and i think that's a huge advantage to do that. second of all, the vice president is going to have defend everything about their administration -- the mediocrity of the economy, the failure in foreign policy and so forth. and let's face it, joe biden has had his share of being the punch line on the talk shows and the comedy shows quite a bit, and there's always that opportunity with joe biden we're going to see some major gaffe again. >> all right, so, let's see if the kids in college for thursday night start a drinking game for how many times they hear big bird mentioned between the vice president ticket-holders. jonathan capehart, karen finney and john brebender, thank you for joining me. >>> joining me in studio, ohio state senator nina turner. great to have you here. i know you've been listening to the conversation about ohio, so let's dig in. their voter registration deadline is today. both candi
paul ryan has basically grown up inside the capitol. >> well, i think there are real advantages for ryan, too. he comes across as sincere and likable like the guy who lives next door to you and i think that's a huge advantage to do that. second of all, the vice president is going to have defend everything about their administration -- the mediocrity of the economy, the failure in foreign policy and so forth. and let's face it, joe biden has had his share of being the punch line on the...
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i think ryan is trying to pull a fast one in all sorts of ways. but can we go back to ryan here? one of the really serious things about this guy is that he is very sincere in what he's doing. he really believes this stuff. he's not trying to--it sounds to you and me like he's trying to pull a fast one but i think honestly believes in what he's saying. there is this kind of misfiring of what biden was doing. biden was clearly i think aiming for partisan liberals, partisan democrats, often people like me who are disappointed with obama and are not really involved in the race, and trying to express our feeling of bewilderment of angry of romney and ryan for proposing these outrageous things. that's what he's trying to do. ryan himself doesn't think of it that way. ryan, as you could see last night, either he is really really in earnest which i think he is, or he's a really good actor. >> i think he wasn't quite prepared. he was prepared for the debate, but when joe biden is in your face like that, it's hard to prepare. you saw him drinking water like 13 times. >> i was wondering whe
i think ryan is trying to pull a fast one in all sorts of ways. but can we go back to ryan here? one of the really serious things about this guy is that he is very sincere in what he's doing. he really believes this stuff. he's not trying to--it sounds to you and me like he's trying to pull a fast one but i think honestly believes in what he's saying. there is this kind of misfiring of what biden was doing. biden was clearly i think aiming for partisan liberals, partisan democrats, often people...
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ryan has to modulate. we'd like to be sharper, smarter, more on guard, but we're not. >> the neocons are the ones who have been prepping on that question. i think he had to strike that broad line there simply because in the senate and in the congress, there are a whole lot of members who are war weary. >> you're a republican. do you think this country is war weary after three wars? >> absolutely. i called for it when i was chairman and got creamed for questioning why we were engaging yet again in afghanistan. >> with an islamic country. >> here we go again. i think paul ryan had to walk that tight rope a little bit. quite frankly, it was difficult. it was obvious it was difficult, particularly on the question of iran and answering specifically with respect to the sanctions of working. are they working? they're having an impact. not being able to acknowledge that says a lot. >> i think he did a very good job on the whole foreign policy section. number one, he's a foreign policy expert. he's a chairman of fo
ryan has to modulate. we'd like to be sharper, smarter, more on guard, but we're not. >> the neocons are the ones who have been prepping on that question. i think he had to strike that broad line there simply because in the senate and in the congress, there are a whole lot of members who are war weary. >> you're a republican. do you think this country is war weary after three wars? >> absolutely. i called for it when i was chairman and got creamed for questioning why we were...
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one showed ryan 48% to 44% ahead. cbs news' flash poll gave biden the win with 50% compared to 31% for ryan and 19% called the debate a tie. for a look at some of the highlights, we go to steve handelsman at the debate sight in danville, kentucky. good morning. >> reporter: good morning from danville, kentucky where they differ sharply on practically all the big issues. these are smart, well informed politicians. paul rye yand and joe biden had reason to feel good last night. a long time democratic insider versus a republican young gun whose ticket has new momentum. mitt romney was watching, barack obama, too. the moderator from abc. they tangled on iran. >> they are closer to a nuclear weapon. >> we will not allow the iranians to get a nuclear weapon. you gonna go to war? is that what you want to do now? >> we want to prevent war. >> what about 47% of americans feeling entitled to benefits. >> i think the vice president knows sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> but i always say what i m
one showed ryan 48% to 44% ahead. cbs news' flash poll gave biden the win with 50% compared to 31% for ryan and 19% called the debate a tie. for a look at some of the highlights, we go to steve handelsman at the debate sight in danville, kentucky. good morning. >> reporter: good morning from danville, kentucky where they differ sharply on practically all the big issues. these are smart, well informed politicians. paul rye yand and joe biden had reason to feel good last night. a long time...
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ryan? got a little cotton mouth? last night the romney/ryan effort was exposed as a shield for the extreme far right and vice president biden drove that point home again and again today, campaigning right in ryan's home state of wisconsin. >> it was made clear last night that they don't believe in protecting a woman's access to health care. it was made very clear that they do not believe a woman has a right to control her own body. these are are the folks who talk about 47% of the american people being unwilling to take responsibility. of it's time romney and ryan say we're going to level the playing field. we're going to give you a fair shot again. >> paul ryan has been saying he wanted a big debate. well, last night he got one and today their whole dishonest campaign is sorry he did. joining me now, dana milbank for "the washington post" and marge. >> nowhere more than when biden nailed him on the gop's attack on the stimulus. watch. >> i love my friend here. i'm not allowed to show letters but go to our website. h
ryan? got a little cotton mouth? last night the romney/ryan effort was exposed as a shield for the extreme far right and vice president biden drove that point home again and again today, campaigning right in ryan's home state of wisconsin. >> it was made clear last night that they don't believe in protecting a woman's access to health care. it was made very clear that they do not believe a woman has a right to control her own body. these are are the folks who talk about 47% of the...
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paul ryan laid out what the romney/ryan agenda would be for the future. you didn't hear anything new at all from vice president biden about what the obama administration's going to do to get down unemployment, to spark growth. all the things they've been failing at. they have laid out no vision at all to address that. >> his point was that vice president joe biden was inappropriate and insubstantial. what was your take? >> i thought he was passionate. i thought he was personal and i thought he was very substantial. i thought he really won the debate. i think that he was willing to be specific in a way paul ryan wasn't. i think paul ryan did not have an answer to the question of what's your $5 trillion tax plan, what exactly what benefits are you going to cut? what exactly are you going to do? i don't think he had an answer on afghanistan. the only thing paul ryan had a specific answer on he and romney are willing to take away a woman's right to choose. >> if you look at what happened afterwards and hearing the talking heads this morning, democrats thought
paul ryan laid out what the romney/ryan agenda would be for the future. you didn't hear anything new at all from vice president biden about what the obama administration's going to do to get down unemployment, to spark growth. all the things they've been failing at. they have laid out no vision at all to address that. >> his point was that vice president joe biden was inappropriate and insubstantial. what was your take? >> i thought he was passionate. i thought he was personal and i...
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when you look at the fact that ryan and akin are two of a kind, paul ryan, the vice presidential candidate chosen by mitt romney and todd akin co-sponsored a bill called, the no taxpayer funded abortion toll tha would limit what would be considered rape, that funds could only be used for forceable rape, which has been the controversy around akin. >> right. and paul ryan co-sponsored it. >> co-sponsored it. >> co-sponsored it. not just supported it. and this is what is so incredible, that now the anti-choice people are so -- they smell victory and they are letting romney get away with this flip-flopping. so instead of calling him on the carpet and saying, what do you mean? we all know what he meant because we know he's going to be a pro life president. >> they think that he's going to win. once he's in, i think that they think they can have a claim on him. that is historically where they've gotten their absolute victories. >> scary. joan walsh and irin carmon, thank you for your time tonight. >>> coming up, no more mr. nice guy. president obama is getting revved up for the next debate and s
when you look at the fact that ryan and akin are two of a kind, paul ryan, the vice presidential candidate chosen by mitt romney and todd akin co-sponsored a bill called, the no taxpayer funded abortion toll tha would limit what would be considered rape, that funds could only be used for forceable rape, which has been the controversy around akin. >> right. and paul ryan co-sponsored it. >> co-sponsored it. >> co-sponsored it. not just supported it. and this is what is so...
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shirtless joe, meet backward cap paul ryan. this is the vice president of the united states. >> oh, yeah. >> that is a good look for him. he is a regular joe blow. >> you have to love that wink. >> but i am sure he is not thrilled about it. his muscles do look good. >> he has guns. >> and the chicken legs comment. he can't be happy about that. >> here is the photo about it, but everything is cool except for the facial expression. if he had grrr'd or something, then it would have been fine, but it is like one of the '80s promos for a sit-com. >> well, if you have the guns. >> thank you for starting your morning with us. >> we have much more on
shirtless joe, meet backward cap paul ryan. this is the vice president of the united states. >> oh, yeah. >> that is a good look for him. he is a regular joe blow. >> you have to love that wink. >> but i am sure he is not thrilled about it. his muscles do look good. >> he has guns. >> and the chicken legs comment. he can't be happy about that. >> here is the photo about it, but everything is cool except for the facial expression. if he had grrr'd or...
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not room, not obama, not ryan. remember what his most effective moment in the sarah palin debate was? it was the moment when he turned on her and brought up the experience of losing his wife, his first wife and son and infant daughter and what it was like to be raising his sons alone. it was a very personal moment. it was like exactly what you're talking about. instead of talking about his grandmother -- >> what was was the public policy implacation? >> she was claiming about the struggles of average working women. he said don't tell me about that. as a man i experienced that. he personalizes everything. he talks about his family more than any politician in america. he will -- if he doesn't talk about his mother, father, children, grandchildren, and grandparents tonight i will be shocked. >> you will hear ryan talk about his mom. sha he is in florida, currently on medicare. i think you will hear lots of family stories from ryan and biden. >> how does ryan normally talk? does he talk in that interesting -- he gave a
not room, not obama, not ryan. remember what his most effective moment in the sarah palin debate was? it was the moment when he turned on her and brought up the experience of losing his wife, his first wife and son and infant daughter and what it was like to be raising his sons alone. it was a very personal moment. it was like exactly what you're talking about. instead of talking about his grandmother -- >> what was was the public policy implacation? >> she was claiming about the...
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that's what paul ryan said? so in other words if somebody comes into his office and says, hey, i need $20 million for this project, it's just a quick stamp of approval? ryan's part of the problem in washington, and he's trying to blame the democrats for it. at certain points the vice president was openly fact checking paul ryan's comments in realtime. >> this is a plan that's bipartisan. it's a plan i put together with a prominent democrat senator from oregon. >> there's not one democrat who endorses it. not one democrat who signed the plan. >> our partner is a democrat from oregon. >> he says he does no longer support -- >> we put it together with the former clinton budget director. >> who disavows it. >> this idea came from the clinton commission to save medicare chaired by senator john breaux. here's the point, martha. >> which was rejected. >> if we don't -- >> that was a crucial point in the debate right there. here's a guy trying to talk about a plan that has bipartisan support, and joe biden stood up for
that's what paul ryan said? so in other words if somebody comes into his office and says, hey, i need $20 million for this project, it's just a quick stamp of approval? ryan's part of the problem in washington, and he's trying to blame the democrats for it. at certain points the vice president was openly fact checking paul ryan's comments in realtime. >> this is a plan that's bipartisan. it's a plan i put together with a prominent democrat senator from oregon. >> there's not one...
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he made the gesture of paul ryan. yes, ryan will continue to be popular, but igor is right. he's having to swallow the fact that he is using -- he's campaigning romney's vision, not his own. that will, perhaps, dull the tarnish and open up a space for someone like senator rand paul, who it doesn't come with all of ryan/romney's hawkishness. >> but can someone like rand paul, can the senator from kentucky, moderate voters still control this? >> i don't think so. i think rand paul is still sort of something people don't know too much specifics about him. they just know in general, and they know his dad. with paul ryan, i think a lot of his star role is with the media. the media loves the fact he seems like a policy wonk. it gave him this glow. they've exposed the fact he's actually quite extreme, particularly on issues involving women's health. it's exposed him as being a far right christian conservative on the one hand. also, it's exposed holes in his budget wonkiness that he can't his get numbers to add up. >> jump in, igor. >> now that we're having a national conversation a
he made the gesture of paul ryan. yes, ryan will continue to be popular, but igor is right. he's having to swallow the fact that he is using -- he's campaigning romney's vision, not his own. that will, perhaps, dull the tarnish and open up a space for someone like senator rand paul, who it doesn't come with all of ryan/romney's hawkishness. >> but can someone like rand paul, can the senator from kentucky, moderate voters still control this? >> i don't think so. i think rand paul is...